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    Hey all,

    Just wondered what do you think are the most useful stats to use on your HUD.

    Obviously VIP and PFR along with the number hands played are very usefull, straight off the bat you can tell if a player is tight, loose, aggressive, passive etc.

    Other than these what would you say are the top 5 most useful stats?

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    It all depends on... if you play:
    -CASH, SNG, MTT
    -headsup, 6max, fullring
    -extremely tight-agressive (tight-passive) vs loose-agressive (maniac "any two cards" style)
    -single table, multitable, mass-multitable
    -shortstack, normal stacked, DEEP stacked
    -fixed limit, pot limit, no limit
    -CAP, RUSH, KNOCKOUT
    -What is a preflop or postflop situation you dislike... or what do you HATE that OFTEN happens: for example annoying opponents that always checkraise you.. or when you cbet... annoying opponents that always float against you when they're in position or they raise you. What's your top 2 of these difficult situations.


    etc. etc.

    I'll tell you what the top 5 most useful stats are... if you can answer the questions above what you really need the HUD for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patvs View Post
    It all depends on... if you play:
    -CASH, SNG, MTT
    -headsup, 6max, fullring
    -extremely tight-agressive (tight-passive) vs loose-agressive (maniac "any two cards" style)
    -single table, multitable, mass-multitable
    -shortstack, normal stacked, DEEP stacked
    -fixed limit, pot limit, no limit
    -CAP, RUSH, KNOCKOUT
    -What is a preflop or postflop situation you dislike... or what do you HATE that OFTEN happens: for example annoying opponents that always checkraise you.. or when you cbet... annoying opponents that always float against you when they're in position or they raise you. What's your top 2 of these difficult situations.


    etc. etc.

    I'll tell you what the top 5 most useful stats are... if you can answer the questions above what you really need the HUD for.
    MTT
    loose aggresive style
    normal stacked
    no limit holdem
    annoying situations: someone keep calling my bets, re-raise me often

    Could you help me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyhn58 View Post
    MTT
    loose aggresive style
    normal stacked
    no limit holdem
    annoying situations: someone keep calling my bets, re-raise me often

    Line 1: VPIP / PFR / AGG / #Hands
    (especially AGG: Aggression factor is important for you, since you will conclude if a player is valuebetting / semi-bluffing / bluffing based on that)

    Line 2:
    -Fold BB to Steal (or Fold to Steal) you have to steal blinds in a MTT
    -Fold to resteal (or fold to 3bet) you have to know who's weak and will fold to a resteal/3bet.
    -Fold to Flop Cbet (or Fold to Donkbet, so you can donkbet every hand out of position)
    Since you're loose-aggressive you'll mostly use these stats.. to see who WON'T FOLD.

    annoying situations: someone keep calling my bets, re-raise me often-
    -Raise Flop CB (ip)
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    Thank you very much

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    Default I really could use HUD advice too. Can you help me as well?

    Cash game (Rush poker or normal) - ring game
    tight aggressive
    normal stacked
    no limit holdem

    annoying situations:
    * When I CBet and person calls, what do they have?
    * Person keeps raising post flop - value bet, draw, or bluff?
    * Opponent check raise me

    Thanks.

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    Line 1: VPIP / PFR / AGG / #Hands
    (again... rely on the AGG stat if an opponent is valuebetting or betting a draw/bluffing postflop)

    Line 2:
    -Fold BB to Steal (or Fold to Steal)
    -Flop Cbet
    -Call Flop Cbet / Fold to Turn Cbet (important to see if the player that calls ANY Cbet on the flop, will fold to a double barrel)
    -Flop Check raise as PFR


    Also pre-select tables with as few shortstacks as possible. (for example by using a NO shortstacks filters in the TableScanner)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patvs View Post
    It all depends on... if you play:
    -CASH, SNG, MTT
    -headsup, 6max, fullring
    -extremely tight-agressive (tight-passive) vs loose-agressive (maniac "any two cards" style)
    -single table, multitable, mass-multitable
    -shortstack, normal stacked, DEEP stacked
    -fixed limit, pot limit, no limit
    -CAP, RUSH, KNOCKOUT
    -What is a preflop or postflop situation you dislike... or what do you HATE that OFTEN happens: for example annoying opponents that always checkraise you.. or when you cbet... annoying opponents that always float against you when they're in position or they raise you. What's your top 2 of these difficult situations.


    etc. etc.

    I'll tell you what the top 5 most useful stats are... if you can answer the questions above what you really need the HUD for.

    Thank you for your help.

    Id like to set up for:
    MTT $11 45 man NL SNGS with 1500 chips Full Ring
    my stats are 18%VPIP 11%PFR agg 1.8 and 3bet 4%

    Spots I get stuck in:
    When I 3xBB miss FLP cont bet and they FLT call, what should I do on turn?
    (is this floating?)

    I also hate the people who limp in early with weak hands, small pairs, Ax, KJo etc, with their 40% VPIP then I decide to make a decent raise PF 5/6xBB and they flat call. Wish their was a stat to read their thought process lol

    40% VPIP UTG looks down sees K9o
    UTG: hey this is a good hand I'm gonna limp see if I can see a cheap flop
    TAG: raises in MP 5xBB
    UTG: See's that this raise is only 45% of his stack and flat calls OOP.

    FLOP: 73K rainbow

    UTG: Not seen him play many hands, he may have a king with a better kicker or AA, I'll see what he does.. checks.

    TAG: I've got QQ, he's shown weakness 3 times, Prefop, Flat Calls PF raise and checks FLP, a cont bet will leave him commited, I'm not sure if there is any of his range he's going to fold here... he'd easy call with A7, A3, 56, Kx any pair and probably any two pictures.

    TAG: Ships it in
    UTG: insta calls

    TAG: why poker gods why!!

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    -Also if you play a normal payout structure vs some sort of satellite or WINNER TAKES ALL structure, or DOUBLE OR NOTHING should influence your HUD.


    Basic HUD for you:
    Line 1: VPIP / PFR / AGG / #Hands

    -You only 3bet premium hands, so "fold to 3bet" is not that usefull.
    -45man SNG you'll often play shorthanded in important (bubble) situations, so it's key you setup a proper FILTER for #players (HUD OPTIONS--> Additional HUD filters)
    -Your AGG is low, so you'll benefit knowing against which player you can semi bluff.
    -The Axs in EP players that will limp-call ANY bet and will commit on a Axx flop.. (or the K9o player... on the Kxx flop.. that will also commit on a 279 board) If you always play overpairs/better kickers it should be easy to win chips of them.

    You used the K9o on a Kxx flop example and you have QQ.
    The problem is, if you Cbet postflop, the other player (who made a horrible preflop play) often has a very easy decision postflop: either he check-folds, or he check-calls (comitting himself).
    A similar situation: UTG player minraises (with ??), you 3Bet QQ from the SB. The UTG player calls (with ??). Flop comes Kxx. Pot is 2000 (you've committed 1000 chips... 1/4 of your stack) You and opponent each have 3000 chips left. So you're screwed. It's an easy decision for him. Either he has a K or he doesn't.

    To avoid such situations, use the --->

    Line 2:
    -Fold BB to Steal / Steal
    -Fold to Flop Cbet / Flop Cbet
    -Fold to Turn Cbet (important to see if the player that calls ANY Cbet on the flop, will fold to a double barrel)
    --->Limp call / Limp fold (interesting for you to KNOW, if the 40 VPIP limpers will fold if you raise 5xBB with QQ, or will always call)

    Now that you know if they'll probably fold or call, think one step ahead, how a Cbet will NOT commit you. Based on stacksizes, instead of your default raise to 5x BB, you now have the option to:
    -ALSO limp, hoping one of the players behind you will raise
    -just move ALLIN
    -minraise (or 3x BB raise), so a postflop Cbet won't auto-commit you.
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    -CASH FIXED LIMIT 1/2
    -fullring
    -50K HANDS 18/12/2
    -multitable 6-10
    -POKERSTARS
    -What is a preflop or postflop situation you dislike: = play oop

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