Understanding how HM2 calculates EV in sngs
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    Default Understanding how HM2 calculates EV in sngs

    I recently started playing sngs and I am using HM2, in cash games EV is calculated easily, QQ vs AK 1k pot 50% equity (roughly) 500$ EV in graph. In sngs I simply do not understand the math behind the EV calculations, sometimes in 2 separate hands i have the same amount of equity and the same pot size and the EV given at the end is different, I am playing hyper turbos so there are many all ins... I really need to understand how EV works in sngs so that I can adjust my game accordingly. Any help is appreciated, or just being pointed in the right direction of a FAQ or instructions (ive serached allot, cannot find anything)
    Ive also tried using sng wizard in the HM2, I dont understand it either, any direction on that also is appreciated.
    thanks in advance

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    "EV" is STTs relies on two factors:
    -1 your equity
    -2 ICM calculation with the payout structure

    To manually make the ICM calculation HoldemManager makes, you have to enter the stacksizes of ALL players in a ICM calculator, for example: Poker ICM Calculator

    Your equity + the ICM calculation + the outcome of the hand (whether you win/lose the hand) results in a EV Diff.
    The SUM of all the EV Diffs + the outcome of the game (your winnings) = The Luck Adjusted Winnings.


    Example $100 buyin. 6 players. Top 2 players finish in the money.
    Starting stack 500 chips.

    So the 500 chips starting stack has a value of $100 = True
    But 1000 chips has a value of $200 = False
    If you double up early on your equity in the game only goes up a little bit.
    The remaining equity is distributed among the other remaining players. (as they are now also closer to the money)


    A more extreme example. You're in the bubble:

    Seat 1: Player1 (100 in chips) (=HERO)
    Seat 2: Player2 (2600 in chips) AA
    Seat 3: Player3 (800 in chips) KK

    Player 1 Folds.
    Player 2 (AA) goes allin against player 3 (KK).
    Player 3 wins the hand and doubles up.
    This outcome is a disaster for you. (had Player 2 won, you were automatically in the money)
    Therefore you are awarded a lot of EV Diff, despite the fact you only had 100 chips and you folded preflop.

    Or you're in the money:
    Seat 1: Hero (1 in chips)
    Seat 2: Player2 (2999 in chips)

    Now your single chip has a value of 2th place prize. (35% of 6x $100 = $210)

    etc.



    For Hypers situations can also occur where the Luck Adjusted Winnings don't make any sense:
    It can be confusing when it's negative and a larger number than the actual buyin, or positive and a larger number than the actual first price money.
    You have some extreme situations (often in Double or Nothing and in Hyper SNGs)
    Extreme examples:
    $169 buyin Hyper, $Won = $720 (1th place)---> $EV Won = -$196 (a negative value, that is bigger than the actual buyin)
    $5.20 buyin DoN, $Won = $10---> $EV Won = $11.35 (more than you can actually win)
    But allowing these values -outside of this logical range- will result in more accurate long term results.


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    In a cash game, QQ vs AK 1k pot 50% equity (roughly) 500$ EV in graph.

    In a STT, QQ vs AK 1k pot 50% equity--> you have 500 chipEV.
    But your dollar equity relies on how many players are left, what are their stacksizes, what is the payout structure, do you still have chips left if you lose the hand, do you eliminate a player if you win the hand? In other words: what is your dollar equity at the start of the hand versus what is your dollar equity when the hand is finished.

    You need a ICM calculator (which is build in, in HM2) to calculate this equity.


    Example: I found an example of a $1 game. 3 handed.
    Where I go allin with AK vs 66.
    Starting stack 500 chips.

    This is what the ICM calculation looks like:

    Code:
    Payouts
    1	$2.79
    
    Start EV	End EV	Diff	Player
    $0.91	$0.89	($0.02)	AsherSan
    $0.95	$0.02	($0.93)	rob0666
    $0.93	$1.88	$0.95	Patvs
    
    SNG EV analysis
    
    Board - 
    
    Prizes $2.79 
    
    
    
    EV	Result	Luck	Hand	Player
    
    $0.89	$0.89	$0.00		AsherSan
    
    $1.05	$0.02	($1.03)	6d6s	rob0666
    
    $0.85	$1.88	$1.03	AhKs	Patvs
    
    
    
    hand order 6d6s > AhKs probability 54.7939%
    
    0 stack 480, icm ev $0.89
    
    1 stack 1020, icm ev $1.90
    
    2 stack 0, icm ev $0.00
    
    
    
    hand order AhKs > 6d6s probability 44.8166%
    
    0 stack 480, icm ev $0.89
    
    1 stack 10, icm ev $0.02
    
    2 stack 1010, icm ev $1.88
    
    
    
    hand order 6d6s = AhKs probability 0.3895%
    
    0 stack 480, icm ev $0.89
    
    1 stack 515, icm ev $0.96
    
    2 stack 505, icm ev $0.94

    (notice the ICM calculation also looks at the chance of a splitpot)
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