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    Default Bug or not? or am i just ignorant :D

    I dont know if this is a bug or just me not knowing enough about EV.

    So basicly in the hand below i get my money in as a 67% favorite on the turn, therefore i would expect there to be some kind of EV on the hand in HEM but all EV calculations show 0.

    A friend of mine told me the reason that its 0 is because the 2 other players in the hand are all-in on the river and on the river i have 0% chance to win therefore there isnt a EV calculation.

    But shouldnt there be a EV calculation when you yourself get the money in? or have i miss understood something?

    (here is the hand if that helps in any way)

    PokerStars Hand #103438730639: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2013/08/31 1:36:20 CUST [2013/08/30 14:36:20 ET]
    Table 'Phad VIII' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: Superfish I ($4.93 in chips)
    Seat 2: Deciffer ($4.58 in chips)
    Seat 3: Casparis51 ($4.69 in chips)
    Seat 4: Cuhan1 ($7.66 in chips)
    Seat 5: TenTypMes123 ($15.97 in chips)
    Seat 6: garnitur ($5.70 in chips)
    TenTypMes123: posts small blind $0.02
    garnitur: posts big blind $0.05
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Deciffer [As Kh Ah 7s]
    Superfish I: raises $0.05 to $0.10
    Deciffer: raises $0.27 to $0.37
    Casparis51: folds
    Cuhan1: calls $0.37
    TenTypMes123: calls $0.35
    garnitur: folds
    Superfish I: calls $0.27
    *** FLOP *** [Td Qh Ac]
    TenTypMes123: checks
    Superfish I: checks
    Deciffer: bets $1.47
    Cuhan1: calls $1.47
    TenTypMes123: folds
    Superfish I: calls $1.47
    *** TURN *** [Td Qh Ac] [3d]
    Superfish I: checks
    Deciffer: bets $2.74 and is all-in
    Cuhan1: calls $2.74
    Superfish I: calls $2.74
    *** RIVER *** [Td Qh Ac 3d] [7d]
    Superfish I: bets $0.35 and is all-in
    Cuhan1: calls $0.35
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Superfish I: shows [Qd 5d Qs Ad] (a flush, Ace high)
    Cuhan1: shows [5c Tc Ts Jc] (three of a kind, Tens)
    Superfish I collected $0.67 from side pot
    Deciffer: shows [As Kh Ah 7s] (three of a kind, Aces)
    Superfish I collected $13.61 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $14.86 Main pot $13.61. Side pot $0.67. | Rake $0.58
    Board [Td Qh Ac 3d 7d]
    Seat 1: Superfish I showed [Qd 5d Qs Ad] and won ($14.28) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 2: Deciffer showed [As Kh Ah 7s] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
    Seat 3: Casparis51 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Cuhan1 (button) showed [5c Tc Ts Jc] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
    Seat 5: TenTypMes123 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: garnitur (big blind) folded before Flop

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    Default Bug or not? or am i just ignorant :D

    I dont know if this is a bug or just me not knowing enough about EV.

    So basicly in the hand below i get my money in as a 67% favorite on the turn, therefore i would expect there to be some kind of EV on the hand in HEM but all EV calculations show 0.

    A friend of mine told me the reason that its 0 is because the 2 other players in the hand are all-in on the river and on the river i have 0% chance to win therefore there isnt a EV calculation.

    But shouldnt there be a EV calculation when you yourself get the money in? or have i miss understood something?

    (here is the hand if that helps in any way)

    UTG: $4.93
    Hero (MP): $4.58
    CO: $4.69
    BTN: $7.66
    SB: $15.97
    BB: $5.70

    Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with As Kh Ah 7s
    UTG raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.37, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.37, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.27

    Flop: ($1.53) Td Qh Ac (4 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.47, BTN calls $1.47, SB folds, UTG calls $1.47

    Turn: ($5.94) 3d (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $2.74 all in, BTN calls $2.74, UTG calls $2.74

    River: ($14.16) 7d (3 players - 1 is all in)
    UTG bets $0.35 all in, BTN calls $0.35

    Final Pot: $14.86
    UTG shows Qd 5d Qs Ad (a flush, Ace high)
    Hero shows As Kh Ah 7s (three of a kind, Aces)
    BTN shows 5c Tc Ts Jc (three of a kind, Tens)
    UTG wins $0.67
    UTG wins $13.61
    (Rake: $0.58)

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    Read post #4 from this thread: http://forums.holdemmanager.com/mana...ituations.html

    Your hand is an example of what I described as situation C.
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