New 4Bet Range explanation

[Hypnotise07]

Since i upgraded to HEM 2 almost every regulars 4bet range has almost doubled, can a mod please explain in DETAIL how the new 4Bet Range stat is being calculated now, and how the old one was?

Thank you

[Hypnotise07]

really nobody knows???

[Pieter86]

Cant answer your question but im seeing the same trend.
Also i am missing the "cold 4bet" or "open 4bet" stat.

[Hypnotise07]

can any mod please explain this?

[kamachos]

It used to be calculated 4bet% x PFR, while now it is 4bet% x raise first %, the new way is more accurate as PFR is much lower than raise first in%.

[Pieter86]

Thanks, i always wondered why the 4bet range was almost always lower than the real 4bet ranges (as in pokerstove % of hands) gues thats fixed now.

So in the total 4b range stat the "cold 4bets" are excluded i gues (correct me if im wrong)

[Hypnotise07]

It used to be calculated 4bet% x PFR, while now it is 4bet% x raise first %, the new way is more accurate as PFR is much lower than raise first in%.

can you give me an example pls

[kamachos]

BTN PFR is 40%, Raise first in is 60%, BTN 4bet% is 10%

old BTN 4b range is 4%, new BTN 4b range is 6%

[Endlesdownswing]

I'll borrow this thread. Is there a cold4bet stat in HEM2? I couldn't find it. I just upgraded HEM1 to 2 and if this one is missing I think its a huge downside.

[Patvs]

Cold 4bet = Raise vs 2+ Raisers
Coldcall 4bet = Call vs 2+ Raisers
(in the vs2+ raisers category)


vs2+ Raisers means: you face a 3bet, but were at that time were still uninvolved with the hand.

In HM2, always ask yourself the question (when you're looking for a stat) what type of bet am I facing.
For Cold 4bet, don't look in the 3bet/4bet/vs3bet/vs4bet/ categories. These will only include stats where you're the initial raiser or the 3better.